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In Which Cressida Kroft Solemnly Swears She Is Up To Some Good
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In her defense, Cressida Kroft never asked to be a paladin.

...Well, that's not entirely true, where "not entirely true" is a phrase which here means "Cressida did in fact explicitly request of any god who happened to be listening that they make her a paladin."

But is it her fault that the one god who happened to be listening in on her can't tell when mortals are being sarcastic?

Now that Kroft's got a moment free, she's going to try and figure out how to not win the first-place prize at the fair for being the quickest paladin in all of history to fall after being chosen by a god.

She sold off her blue whinnis at clearance prices (this day only! all poison must go!) and is trying to figure out where to go from there.

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You'd really expect that having been quite recently the recipient of divine communication wherein she was tasked with securing her goddess's interests on the Material Plane - tasked in incomprehensibly comprehensive detail - would help with understanding what being paladin of Otolmens entails more than it in fact is helping her.

Alas, it does not.

Kroft feels crystal-clear on what would cause Otolmens to renounce a cleric. She feels like she's got a good idea of Otolmens's priorities.

She is not at all clear on what would cause Otolmens to renounce a paladin.

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Different deities hold Their paladins to different standards. Some are reportedly more strict, or less strict, or differently strict. It seems possible that if Otolmens isn't made to do so, She just... wouldn't think to renounce a paladin which She ought to. From what little Kroft understood of Otolmens' shared thoughtlogs, she didn't get the impression that the goddess was particularly tracking that as a consideration, when weighing Her options in answering Cressida's prayer. 

Although - she thinks it likely that there's a baseline level of strictness which all paladins of all gods must clear, and some gods choose to add more above that and beyond it? Otherwise, like, you'd have paladins of at least some NG gods telling lies when it seems worthwhile but Kroft is fairly sure that no paladins lie ever. Except maybe paladins of Torag? Was that a thing?

She wishes she had a more senior paladin on hand to ask questions but actually Cressida Kroft is the most senior paladin in the city right now. 

(By five freaking minutes. And yet half the even newer-minted paladins looking at her like she's the one who knows a pseudodragon from a feral parrot when they're the ones inclined by disposition to be paladins and chosen by gods who didn't immediately afterwards share by holy vision (axiomatic vision?) that they'd never made a paladin before and didn't particularly know what made them different from clerics or inquisitors and aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh.)

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She really is up the river without a paddle, here. No one ever says, "being a paladin is easy and intuitive, just do whatever feels right in the moment." Paladins outside of established holy orders are said to be more likely to fall. 

...Kroft may not have a more senior paladin to bug, but what she does have is a reference library packed neatly into her Bag of Holding!

One of those books or another should have something in it on paladin codes - if maybe not in as much loving detail as, say, her seventeen volume annotated The Words Behind The Mask anthology devotes to Norgorborism. (She's never had to root out any cults to god that grants paladins, and had less reason to anticipate needing a handy set of references.)

But there ought to be something, so let's give it a look.

The book she finds wasn't written by a paladin (no surprise, it isn't primarily about them), which is reason to be suspect. She expects that she'll get little more than the common knowledge from it, and she's mainly worried about the non-common-knowledge things, the cultural knowledge which paladin orders have accumulated. Still, she'll give it a glance to make it less likely that she's missing something obvious.

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Code of Conduct: A paladin must be of lawful good alignment and loses all class features except proficiencies if she ever willingly commits an evil act.

Additionally, a paladin's code requires that she respect legitimate authority, act with honor (not lying, not cheating, not using poison, and so forth), help those in need (provided they do not use the help for evil or chaotic ends), and punish those who harm or threaten innocents.

Associates: While she may adventure with good or neutral allies, a paladin avoids working with evil characters or with anyone who consistently offends her moral code. Under exceptional circumstances, a paladin can ally with evil associates, but only to defeat what she believes to be a greater evil. A paladin should seek an atonement spell periodically during such an unusual alliance, and should end the alliance immediately should she feel it is doing more harm than good. A paladin may accept only henchmen, followers, or cohorts who are lawful good.

- Pathfinder Core Rulebook

 

Yep, there's the poison thing she remembered.

She wasn't sure why poison was considered worse than steel or fire - it isn't more painful -, but this makes it clear that it's about honor... which isn't great for her odds of still being able to detect evil a week from now.

She's going to idly complain about this to the person who's on hand, who's Chaotic Good and can probably get behind her gripe.

(She misses Vencarlo.)

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And here I'd taken you for an honorable sort of police officer. Did I get the wrong impression? 

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Cressida Kroft thinks it very important to live with honor in all one's daily dealings!

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She just doesn't like to fight that way.

There are very scary things in her world and she likes to overdetermine victory against them. From the strategic level, to the tactical, to her own personal melee fighting style, Cressida Kroft fights to win.

She doesn't want to always be asking whether it's honorable before she has a river rerouted or attacks a sleeping dragon with Dragonbane weapons and Rods of Nettles or collapses someone's house on them or counters a wizard with a potion of silence

She's aware of the paladin stereotype - and she happily accommodates spellcasters and adventurers with any sort of peculiar need! - but enlisted men die for their Field Marshall's mistakes and it's important to Kroft that she win her fights and cleanly

...Well, actually, aren't there two paladin stereotypes in modern Avistan? In popular conception there's everyone else, and there are knights of the Inheritor...

...And Cressida Kroft is totally doing that thing where from the outside internal distinctions are invisible or blur together. She needs to look through what oaths paladins make to their disparate gods. Is that in this book...?

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We-ell.

Hmm.

Playing the devil's advocate.

I, being in many regards a fool, taught Arthur how to play Magic the Gathering

To my folly and ruin. The kid's a total Spike. 

I can still beat him - for now - by netdecking harder than he does. He's still in college; I have deeper pockets.

But deckbuilding is half the joy of Magic! When we play now it's just the internet battling itself on my dime.

Drinking Arthur's bitter loser tears is worth every penny, but when I check my bank account I can't help musing that the whole arms race could have been avoided.

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Contrast Arthur with Olivia. 

Her commander deck's some horrifying Rube Goldberg machine which my feeble brainmeats can't so much as comprehend, however.

She built it herself, out of the same cards I'm using, and I once watched her draw literally the entire deck and fail to combo.

She milled herself, I just watched

So I win some games and lose others and no one ups the ante.

Maybe fighting with honor is a kind of mutual disarmament.

If you're sweating too hard, everyone else has to start sweating too, and now we're all running twice as hard just to stay still.

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I caught maybe one word in three of that.

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I used three times as many words as necessary, so I hope it all worked out?

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Mutual disarmament would almost always be lovely.

But unilateral disarmament seems incredibly dumb.

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Sometimes it pays to be dumb!

There's a vicious cycle, where people who don't feel safe to trust each other would both seize any chance, sink to any depth, if it let them get a good hit in, because they know their enemies would absolutely do the same.

And you can live like that...

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Or you can take a leap of faith!

Have a go at smashing the circular dependency, with goodwill towards all and irrepressible spirit!

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And you might get burned. 

Almost certainly you will get burned. It's easier to be the bigger person if you're literally or metaphorically the actual bigger person.

It takes courage, and takes more courage the less else that you have going for you.

In a better world, the courage to do what's right would always be rewarded. 

In this world it simply isn't.

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But I don't think I've ever regretted trying

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I'm deeply unsure that this is applicable to the problems which tend to come up in my life, but will consider your point of view and look for places where it seems helpful in expectation to apply it.

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I wouldn't call it anything so considered as "my point of view."

I said I was playing the devil's advocate.

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I appreciate that, in at least one sense of the word. While I've got you by the ear, look at at this:

Associates: While she may adventure with good or neutral allies, a paladin avoids working with evil characters or with anyone who consistently offends her moral code. Under exceptional circumstances, a paladin can ally with evil associates, but only to defeat what she believes to be a greater evil. A paladin should seek an atonement spell periodically during such an unusual alliance, and should end the alliance immediately should she feel it is doing more harm than good. A paladin may accept only henchmen, followers, or cohorts who are lawful good.

What about employees? Can they have non-LG employees? Is that splitting hairs? If not - am I being overly Abadar-brained or would all paladins necessarily live in poverty?

There are paladins which rule countries. Presumably that's allowed? I can easily eliminate maximalist interpretations of the text, because there are paladins who rule countries and have won wars, and I can rule out minimalist interpretations because there aren't paladins who are highwaymen, but I'm no closer to understanding where the line is for having read it.

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You should be fine if you make a good-faith effort? A good GM won't strip class features on a technicality, I think.

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Otolmens isn't your gamemaster, and it isn't clear that Otolmens gets the last say.

 

It's time to find a book that touches on paladin orders devoted to different deities, to better nail down what all conduct is paladin-compatible. 

She's especially interested in looking at what paladins of Abadar swear (since Cressida Kroft is to a first approximation Abadaran, and she's often worked closely with Abadarans in Korvosa's institutions), and in seeing Erastil's (because Erastil is great and centrally LG), she suspects Andoletta is too obscure to be referenced but Andoletta's if it's in there, Torag's because Torag is the god of planning and defending one's homeland and has no reputation for exceeding mercy, Iomedae's too to see how far you can push the envelope... and Ragathiel's as an example of what you can get away with if you're really trying to get away with things, and Irori's, because that sounds potentially relevant to someone who's trying to become their best self instead of following the example of a god.

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Of all the neutral gods, only Abadar supports and promotes a holy order of paladins. As the god of civilization and order, Abadar recognizes the value of holy warriors in advancing society’s aims. His paladins follow the standard paladin code of protecting the innocent, acting with honor and honesty, and respecting lawful authority. In addition, an Abadaran paladin upholds the following creed.

I am a protector of the roadways and keep travelers from harm. No matter their destinations or goals, if they are peaceable and legitimate travelers who harm no others on the road, I will ensure that they pass safely.

Bandits are a plague. Under my will they come to justice. If they will not come willingly before the law, where they can protest for justice in the courts, they will come under the power of my sword.

Corruption in the courts is the greatest corruption of civilization. Without confidence in justice, citizens cannot believe in their countries, and civilization begins to disappear. I will root out corruption wherever I find it, and if a system is fundamentally flawed, I will work to aid citizens by reforming or replacing it.

I am an aid to the markets. I ensure equitable trade between merchants and citizens. Theft and deceit on either side are intolerable.

I make opportunities, and teach others to recognize them. When I aid others, I open the way for them, but will not carry them—they must take responsibility.

- Inner Sea Gods 

 

..."Of all the neutral gods, only Abadar supports and promotes a holy order of paladins" is not a promising tell for the reliability of this document.

The rest of it seems generally Abadaran - if odd in its emphasis - well, she guesses most paladins of Abadar would vibe more with the (genuinely important! she vibes with this as well!) "protect the roads, kill bandits" part than the making opportunities part? Her stereotype of a paladin is not... entrepreneurial. 

This has not been as useful as her wildest hopes. It would be very nice to have the entire oaths and strictures of at least one paladin order in front of her; she wishes she'd thought of that when they were buying things through Zey's bag.

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The paladins of Erastil are gruff, strict traditionalists. They seek to preserve the integrity of rural life and communities. Their tenets include the following affirmations.

My community comes first, and I will contribute to it all that I can. If I don’t give something back, who will?

I must offer the poor in my community assistance, but I may not do the work for them—instead, I must teach them to contribute to the settlement. It is only through cooperation that a community grows strong.

When danger threatens, I am not a fool. I seek first to make sure the weak and innocent are safe, and then I quell the danger.

I keep to the old ways, the true ways. I am not seduced by the lure of money or power. I remember that true honor comes from within, not from the accolades of others.

I remember that reputation is everything. Mine is pure and upstanding, and I will repair it if it is broken or tarnished. I stand by my decisions, and live so that none shall have cause to blame me.

I show respect to my elders, for they have done much. I show respect to the young, for they have much left to do. I show respect to my peers, for they carry the load. And I shall carry it with them.

I am honest, trustworthy, and stable. If I must leave my lands and community, before I go, I ensure that they will be tended in my absence. Even when duty calls, my duties to my home come first—letting them lapse makes me a burden on my people.

- Inner Sea Gods

 

Kroft somewhat suspects the author of this of having met one (1) paladin of Erastil, but, you know what, she kind of adores this one (1) paladin of Erastil. 

Erastil is great.

...She's going to read Iomedae's oaths and feel judged by them, because Iomedae would hold her and Erastil both in open contempt if She still had the ability to feel contempt but instead just views them with an impartial analysis which says they aren't as useful to the world as adjacent people or gods would be.

Which is worse.

Anyway, what has she learned from this. She has learned that Paladins can be Erastilian, which she already knew in theory, but - you disproportionately see the wandering and/or crusading sort and it's a good reminder.

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Andoletta is in here!

 

Andoletta’s paladins serve courts and other authorities. They seek to protect innocence and dispel foolishness. Their tenets include the following affirmations.

Children must be nurtured lest their innocence become callousness or ignorance. I will never be cold or negligent to a child.

Virtue relies upon wisdom, and wisdom relies upon true awareness. I will never leave a falsehood unchallenged.

I will be firm with the ignorant, but not cruel. Ignorance can be corrected.

I will respect my elders’ knowledge and wisdom, but won’t abide the spreading of complacency or ignorance.

- Inner Sea Gods or Chronicles of the Righteous

 

...The one (1) paladin of Andoletta which the author of this account has met or heard of served a court or other authority (a court). 

Which makes sense, because what else would a follower of Andoletta be doing, if not their duty to their community?

They... probably didn't serve in a Korvosan court. Or a Korvosan military organization. Being in command of a military organization and doing right by your people and your nation is easier if you don't need to be consistently LG without lapsing in that... she doesn't want to fall and waste Otolmens' effort, but she does want to serve Korvosa as a civil servant as she has for the last 15 years and as is her comparative advantage and wait! She was demoted! She's not in charge of the Korvosan Guard any more, and plenty of paladins are unit commanders in the service of worthy causes. We good, fam. We lawful good.

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Paladins of Torag are dedicated to protecting not just the lives but the way of life for those under their charge, and hold the ways of their chosen people as holy, especially when they are the centuries-old works and traditions of an entire race. Their tenets include the following affirmations.

My word is my bond. When I give my word formally, I defend my oath to my death. Traps lie in idle banter or thoughtless talk, and so I watch my tongue.

I am at all times truthful, honorable, and forthright, but my allegiance is to my people. I will do what is necessary to serve them, including misleading others if need be.

I respect the forge, and never sully it with half-hearted work. My creations reflect the depth of my faith, and I will not allow flaws save in direst need.

Against my people’s enemies, I will show no mercy. I will not allow their surrender, except when strategy warrants. I will defeat them, yet even in the direst struggle, I will act in a way that brings honor to Torag.

- Inner Sea Gods

 

Oh.

Oh yes.

Okay, like, cross out the part about not allowing surrender - Cressida Kroft will happily take on quite a bit of risk if it's to allow a surrender. And - while she is willing to mislead people in order to protect her people, it's not the example she'd have put in the oaths, she'd have put a different rude thing which she's less reluctant to do, like abduct or kill people in their sleep. Misleading people ruins trust, civilization thrives when people are able to trust each other, and improving people's knowledge and understanding can have unexpected effects when they realize an opportunity for profit or a solution to a problem.

(...Well, actually, maybe there is a good reason to make "I might lie to you" explicit? Or maybe paladins of Torag still can't lie outright?)

Kroft would have a different set of complaints if Torag ruled Heaven, compared to the current setup, if by no means no complaints. But if you can be a follower of Torag and also a paladin, you can probably be Cressida Kroft and also a paladin with only a little hassle. 

...Unless there's a bunch of institutional knowledge that paladin orders of Torag have, which is necessary for successfully being both a follower of Torag and a paladin, which didn't make it into this book.

Ugh.

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